Coyle Girelli (Interview)

Coyle Girelli walked into Sun Studio in Memphis with an acoustic guitar and a few microphones.

Nothing elaborate.

No massive production.

No army of session musicians.

Just a singer, a guitar and one of the most historically significant recording rooms in American music.

He had spent years making records, touring the world and working with some remarkable songwriters. But something happened when he stepped into that room that caught even him by surprise.

He recorded a take.

Walked into the control room.

Soloed the room microphone.

And listened.

For about 15 minutes.

Not because the performance was particularly complicated.

Because he could hear the room.

The same room that had helped shape recordings by some of the most important artists in rock-and-roll history.

And suddenly Coyle understood something he’d never fully appreciated before.

The room wasn’t simply where those records had been made.

It was part of what made them sound the way they did.

For a British-born songwriter who grew up obsessing over American music, it was a remarkable moment.

And for someone whose latest musical chapter had brought him to Sun Records through an unlikely connection with legendary songwriter Mac Davis, it was also a circle closing.

Not bad for a kid who once had to spend half a day traveling just to buy a record.

Forty Minutes to the Bus Station

Coyle grew up in Otley, a small town outside Leeds in northern England.

There wasn’t much of a local record-shopping scene.

If he wanted new music, he had to work for it.

First came a roughly 40-minute walk to the bus station.

Then another 40 minutes to an hour on the bus into Leeds.

Then the record shop.

He’d spend time searching through the albums, deciding what to buy and trying to make the trip worthwhile.

Then he’d reverse the entire journey.

By the time he returned home, five or six hours could have passed.

All to buy some music.

Today, an entire generation can discover a new artist, listen to every album they’ve ever released and move on to something else before breakfast.

Coyle had to plan an expedition.

But that effort changed how he experienced music.

He’d bring the records home, put them on and disappear into them.

There was no skipping through 30 seconds of a song to decide whether an algorithm had made a good recommendation.

He listened.

Absorbed.

Studied.

And somewhere along the way, those records became part of him.

The Records You Don’t Understand Until You’re Older

Coyle’s musical education began at home.

His father had an extensive record collection filled with American songwriters.

Tom Petty.

Jackson Browne.

Bob Dylan.

Bruce Springsteen.

The kind of artists whose records can quietly teach a young songwriter about melody, storytelling and the difference between writing a song and simply putting words over chords.

Coyle wasn’t necessarily impressed as a child.

That’s fairly typical.

Parents have an extraordinary ability to make excellent music seem uncool simply by enjoying it.

But the records stayed with him.

Eventually he returned to them and realized how much he loved what he’d once dismissed.

There was another influence coming from a different part of the house.

Opera.

Coyle’s family is partly Italian, and the music of composers such as Puccini and Verdi was a regular presence.

He didn’t particularly appreciate that either when he was young.

Today, he loves opera.

Put those influences together and you begin to understand his approach to songwriting.

American roots music taught him storytelling.

Opera taught him the power of melody and dramatic emotion.

Then British rock and American alternative music came along and gave him something considerably louder to do with both.

Then Nirvana Changed Everything

Coyle grew up during an extraordinary period for British music.

Britpop was everywhere.

New bands seemed to appear constantly.

Oasis.

Coldplay.

And a growing list of artists making records that felt important to young musicians trying to discover their own identities.

Meanwhile, music from America was making an equally significant impression.

Nirvana became a major influence.

So did the Smashing Pumpkins and other bands emerging from the alternative-rock movement.

Coyle remembers hearing Nevermind and feeling that familiar shock of discovering a record that permanently changes your understanding of what music can be.

He described the experience in a way I particularly liked.

Once you’ve heard something that powerful, you can never return to being the person who hadn’t heard it.

It’s part of you now.

He felt the same way about Springsteen’s Born to Run.

Those records didn’t simply entertain him.

They expanded the possibilities.

And that’s something Coyle still thinks about when he writes.

A song begins as nothing.

An idea.

A melody.

A few words.

Then somebody records it and releases it.

Suddenly it exists in the world.

Someone you’ve never met might hear it.

It might become part of their life.

And they can never completely unhear it.

For Coyle, that’s the magic of songwriting.

The Band Started at School

Coyle’s professional career began with musicians he’d known since childhood.

He and his friends started playing together around age 12 or 13.

They weren’t particularly good.

Coyle is quite comfortable admitting that.

But they kept playing.

Eventually they became better.

By the time they reached university age, they had developed into a serious band.

They secured a production deal with Sony, which provided resources to record, tour and build a home studio.

That was an important step.

They were no longer simply kids playing music together.

They had financial backing.

They had recordings.

They had opportunities.

They also had interest from American record companies.

Although a full album deal with Sony never materialized, labels in New York began paying attention.

Eventually the band signed with Universal.

And Coyle found himself leaving a small town in northern England for New York City.

That is a fairly significant change of scenery.

Becoming a New Yorker

Coyle originally came to America because of music.

He stayed because America, particularly New York, became home.

He still visits England regularly.

His family remains there.

He loves English sweets and chocolate, perhaps a little more than his daily calorie intake would appreciate.

He’s also a devoted Manchester City supporter and returns when he can to watch matches.

But after spending so many years in New York, something strange happened.

England began feeling familiar and foreign at the same time.

He returns and notices the old buildings.

The pubs.

The castles.

Things he once took for granted.

Now he occasionally experiences them almost like a tourist.

Yet he doesn’t feel entirely American either.

He didn’t grow up here.

His childhood memories belong to another country.

So when I asked him where he feels he belongs, he arrived at a fairly simple answer.

New York.

He’s a New Yorker.

I understood that immediately.

I’m originally from Boston and spent much of my professional career in Nashville.

After enough years, you begin collecting pieces of different places.

You don’t entirely stop belonging to the place you came from.

You just don’t belong there in quite the same way anymore.

Coyle has found his version of home somewhere between England and America.

And musically, that combination makes perfect sense.

America Is a Very Big Place to Tour

Coyle spent roughly a decade professionally touring with his band before they went on hiatus around 2014.

They traveled extensively throughout America.

And he loved it.

The country is enormous.

That means a lot of driving.

But it also means every city offers something different.

Memphis.

New Orleans.

Chicago.

Seattle.

Each carries its own musical history.

Each has a different personality.

Even the audiences behave differently.

Coyle has noticed that major entertainment centers like New York, Los Angeles and London can sometimes be harder to impress.

They see everything.

Every touring act.

Every major artist.

Every new sensation.

The audience can develop a certain attitude.

All right.

Show us what you’ve got.

Other cities are more immediately enthusiastic.

They’re ready to enjoy themselves.

But Coyle doesn’t see one country as inherently better than another.

Audiences everywhere ultimately want a good show.

Although some could stand to stop talking during the quiet parts.

Please Stop Talking

Coyle has performed plenty of intimate acoustic shows over the years.

One voice.

One guitar.

A room full of people.

Ideally, those people are listening.

Unfortunately, not everybody understands the arrangement.

I mentioned Nashville’s Bluebird Cafe, where audiences are famously expected to remain quiet during performances.

Coyle appreciates that kind of environment.

Because when you’re performing a delicate acoustic song, having somebody conduct an unrelated conversation a few feet away isn’t exactly helpful.

So how does he handle it?

He calls them out.

Not through a complicated speech about respecting the arts.

He simply brings the room’s attention to the people talking and gives them an opportunity to decide whether they’d like to continue.

Or stop.

Sometimes subtlety is unnecessary.

Six Months With Duran Duran

One of the band’s most memorable touring experiences came when they joined Duran Duran.

For approximately six months, they traveled around America performing in major arenas.

For a young singer, that kind of opportunity provides an education that can’t really be replicated.

You can rehearse endlessly.

Study performance videos.

Read books about stage presence.

But standing backstage night after night watching a seasoned performer like Simon Le Bon work an arena is something different.

Coyle watched.

Learned.

Absorbed.

He saw how a frontman handles a large stage.

How to command an audience.

How to sustain a performance.

And how to make something practiced thousands of times still feel alive.

There were also memorable performances in Central Park.

New York has plenty of iconic venues, but performing in Central Park carries a particular significance.

Especially when you’re the kid from Otley who once spent most of a day traveling to buy records.

David Letterman and Michelle Obama

Another major moment came when the band performed on Late Show with David Letterman.

Coyle remembers that particular episode because Michelle Obama was also appearing.

There was Secret Service security everywhere.

The atmosphere was unusual.

The stage was legendary.

The opportunity was enormous.

And Coyle?

He was focused on doing the job.

Perform well.

Deliver the song.

Don’t waste the opportunity.

He didn’t spend much time appreciating the significance of the moment while it was happening.

He was already thinking about the next thing.

Later that evening, the band gathered with friends at a local bar to watch the broadcast.

That’s when the experience finally began to register.

He had performed on Letterman.

On a stage connected to an extraordinary history of televised music.

With Michelle Obama appearing on the same episode.

It’s the kind of moment that becomes more impressive in retrospect.

And Coyle recognizes something about his younger self.

He wasn’t always present enough to enjoy what was happening.

He was too busy moving toward whatever came next.

That’s a common problem in the music business.

You’re so focused on building a career that you occasionally forget to experience the one you’re already having.

Then the Touring Stopped

By 2014, the band had been working professionally for roughly ten years.

And Coyle was exhausted.

Touring burnout had set in.

That’s something people outside the business don’t always understand.

Traveling the world playing music sounds like a dream.

And frequently it is.

But the actual process involves long drives, constant movement, limited privacy, disrupted sleep and an extraordinary amount of repetition.

Eventually even the thing you love can become exhausting.

The band went on hiatus.

Not because Coyle wanted to stop making music.

Because he needed to stop living on the road.

And as soon as he stepped away from touring, he went into the studio.

Naturally.

Apparently He Can’t Stop Writing

Coyle initially began working on what he imagined might become another record for the band.

But the material started feeling different.

More personal.

More like something he should release under his own name.

He took additional time away and began writing for other artists.

Then the desire to release his own music returned.

So he did.

And kept doing it.

By the time we spoke, he estimated he’d released around five records since the band’s hiatus.

Another deluxe release was approaching.

Another album was already underway.

The touring schedule had slowed.

The songwriting hadn’t.

Coyle admits that if he doesn’t write enough songs, he becomes anxious.

That’s not necessarily the healthiest relationship with productivity.

But it’s a pretty effective explanation for why he continues making records.

He doesn’t really know how not to.

The Mac Davis Connection

One of the most significant relationships of Coyle’s career began with a television appearance.

Mac Davis saw Coyle performing with his band on David Letterman.

At the time, both songwriters were connected to the publisher Primary Wave.

Mac liked what he heard.

He reached out and suggested they write together.

Coyle eventually visited Mac’s home in Los Angeles.

They drank coffee.

Played guitar.

Wrote a song.

And discovered they enjoyed working together.

So they did it again.

And again.

There wasn’t a grand strategy to create a particular album.

They were simply writing.

Over time, the songs accumulated.

Ten.

Eleven.

Twelve.

Eventually there was enough material to recognize that something larger had taken shape.

An album.

And not just any album.

One carrying a direct connection to a songwriter whose work had helped define part of Elvis Presley’s musical legacy.

Learning From Mac Davis

Mac Davis was an important songwriter long before Coyle entered the picture.

His songs for Elvis Presley helped establish his reputation as a writer capable of combining memorable melodies with emotional directness.

That kind of craft doesn’t necessarily come from making music complicated.

Quite often it comes from knowing what to leave out.

Coyle absorbed a great deal from their time together.

Mac’s influences.

His approach to songwriting.

His understanding of what makes a song work.

And something else began happening.

The music they were creating naturally moved toward the world of early rock and roll, country and American roots music.

Roy Orbison.

Elvis Presley.

Johnny Cash.

Those influences weren’t necessarily part of a deliberate plan.

They emerged through the writing.

Only after stepping back from the finished collection did Coyle recognize how clearly the songs belonged to that musical tradition.

And then an opportunity appeared that seemed almost too appropriate.

The Sun Records Connection

Primary Wave became involved in relaunching Sun Records.

The company was already familiar with Coyle’s recordings with Mac Davis.

And suddenly the project had a natural home.

Think about the connections.

Mac Davis wrote songs for Elvis Presley.

Elvis helped make Sun Records one of the most recognizable names in popular music history.

Coyle had spent his life absorbing American songwriting traditions.

And now an album he had written with Mac could be released through Sun.

That’s not a bad collection of coincidences.

Coyle certainly appreciated it.

He never imagined he’d become a Sun Records artist.

For much of his life, that wouldn’t even have seemed possible.

Then one day he had a vinyl record with his own name on it and that distinctive yellow-and-black Sun label.

Sometimes the physical object makes the accomplishment feel real.

The Room Is an Instrument

Which brings us back to Memphis.

Toward the end of the album’s release cycle, Coyle was visiting a radio station in the city.

He arranged to spend an evening recording at Sun Studio.

He took the final studio tour of the day.

Then the room was his.

He wanted the recording setup to remain simple.

An acoustic guitar.

A vocal microphone.

A microphone on the guitar.

And a room microphone.

The equipment included vintage RCA microphones and older compression gear.

Nothing about the session was designed to modernize the room.

Quite the opposite.

Coyle wanted to hear it.

After recording a take, he entered the control room and isolated the room microphone.

That’s when the realization hit.

He could hear the character of the recordings he had grown up loving.

Not because he was imitating Elvis.

Not because he was trying to recreate a particular performance.

Because the room itself had a recognizable sound.

He listened repeatedly.

The acoustic signature was unmistakable.

I’ve spent enough time in recording studios to appreciate exactly what he was describing.

We spend enormous amounts of money trying to control sound.

Acoustic treatments.

Isolation.

Microphone placement.

Equalization.

Compression.

Plugins designed to recreate rooms that no longer exist.

Then occasionally you encounter a physical space that does something none of the equipment can completely explain.

The room contributes something.

It becomes part of the performance.

That’s what Coyle heard at Sun Studio.

And it’s why those recordings can feel so alive decades later.

A Melody-First Songwriter

For all the history surrounding his recordings, Coyle’s actual writing process remains remarkably instinctive.

He hears melodies.

Sometimes while playing guitar.

Sometimes without an instrument.

Sometimes in the shower.

Apparently, a surprising amount of songwriting happens before breakfast.

He’ll hear a melody in his head and begin trying to understand what it is.

A vocal phrase.

A guitar part.

A drum rhythm.

He might sing the different pieces to himself before deciding how they fit together.

His voice leads the process.

Words usually come later.

Coyle describes himself as obsessive about melody.

He’ll refine it until it feels right.

Then begin working through the lyrics.

For a songwriter with such a strong interest in storytelling, that’s an interesting distinction.

The emotion often arrives before the story.

The melody tells him how the song should feel.

Then the lyrics explain why.

An Hour or Two

Here’s the part that might irritate a few songwriters.

Coyle often writes a song in an hour or two.

Not every song.

Some require considerably more work.

He remembers rewriting the chorus of one of his old band’s major songs four or five times before finally being satisfied.

But generally, he prefers to follow the initial inspiration until the song is finished.

Then he steps away.

Returns a day or two later.

Makes adjustments.

Or leaves it alone.

He doesn’t enjoy overthinking music.

I told him that when I write a song in an hour or two, my wife starts questioning whether I cheated.

But Coyle’s approach makes sense.

The initial creative moment can be fragile.

Sometimes the more you analyze it, the farther you move from whatever made the idea exciting in the first place.

Learning to Stop Overthinking

Interestingly, Coyle wasn’t always able to maintain that instinctive approach.

When he began writing for other artists, particularly in the pop world, the process became more formulaic.

Songs needed to fit particular expectations.

Structures.

Commercial considerations.

Stylistic requirements.

He began thinking too much.

Songs took longer.

The writing became less enjoyable.

Eventually other writers reminded him of something he’d known before the business complicated it.

Pick up a guitar.

Write a song.

Let the idea develop.

Don’t interrogate every decision before the song has a chance to exist.

He returned to that approach.

And became happier writing again.

That doesn’t mean he refuses to edit.

Quite the opposite.

Coyle will continue adjusting lyrics almost until the final vocal is recorded.

If a line bothers him, he’ll fix it.

If the story doesn’t quite make sense, he’ll return to it.

But he tries to separate the initial act of creating from the later process of refining.

That’s an important distinction.

The Final Lyric Is Never Really Final

Every songwriter knows the frustration.

You finish the song.

Record it.

Spend time getting everything exactly right.

Then, three weeks later, you realize one line could have been considerably better.

Of course.

The perfect lyric arrives after the record is finished.

Coyle knows the feeling.

He’ll continue tweaking words until there’s no longer an opportunity to change them.

Then occasionally realize the obvious improvement after it’s too late.

Welcome to songwriting.

Apparently nobody has figured out how to prevent that.

Writing for Someone Else

When Coyle writes with another artist, his process changes.

The session often begins with conversation.

Sometimes a lot of conversation.

How’s life?

What’s happening?

Who’s broken your heart?

What are you struggling with?

Coyle jokes that the first hour can resemble a therapy session.

But that’s where the material comes from.

The songwriter isn’t simply manufacturing a generic emotional statement.

He’s trying to understand the person who will eventually sing the song.

Sometimes a particular experience produces a lyric.

Sometimes a phrase reveals a story.

Then they begin building around it.

Of course, songs don’t always end up with the person they were originally written for.

Another artist might record one.

And interpret the lyrics completely differently.

Coyle is comfortable with that.

Once a song enters the world, listeners and performers bring their own experiences to it.

The meaning can expand beyond whatever the writer originally intended.

That’s part of the beauty of the process.

From Rock Records to Musical Theater

One of the more interesting developments in Coyle’s career is his growing involvement in musical theater.

At first glance, the jump from alternative rock to theatrical songwriting might seem unusual.

But consider his influences.

Opera.

Classic American songwriting.

A lifelong obsession with melody.

An interest in dramatic storytelling.

Musical theater is hardly a stretch.

Coyle particularly admires the work of Rodgers and Hammerstein and shows such as Cabaret.

He appreciates how musical theater combines melody with character and narrative.

And he finds writing for characters surprisingly natural.

In some ways, easier than writing for himself.

When the Character Gives You the Song

Musical theater creates boundaries.

The character has a particular personality.

They’re experiencing a particular event.

They have something specific they need to communicate.

The song has a dramatic purpose.

For Coyle, those limitations can actually make writing easier.

The options become narrower.

The emotional target becomes clearer.

But theatrical songwriting also requires a different kind of discipline.

Lyrics often need to sound conversational.

They can’t always be as abstract or poetic as a standalone pop song.

The audience needs to understand the character.

The words must move the story forward.

Too obvious, and the song feels contrived.

Too poetic, and the audience may lose the point.

Coyle enjoys finding the balance.

And considering how much he values melody and emotional storytelling, it’s easy to understand why.

Logic, Pro Tools and the Art of Getting Out of the Way

Coyle’s home recording setup is relatively straightforward.

A Universal Audio Apollo interface.

A computer.

Logic.

Enough equipment to capture ideas and build arrangements.

He previously used Cubase, as many European musicians did.

But when he moved to America, Pro Tools was everywhere.

So he learned it.

He never particularly enjoyed writing in it.

Too many steps.

Too much technical friction between hearing an idea and getting it recorded.

Eventually Logic became his preferred environment.

I can appreciate that.

I’ve spent a substantial part of my professional life working in Pro Tools.

It’s an extraordinarily powerful platform.

But songwriting and engineering aren’t necessarily the same activity.

When an idea appears, you want to capture it before it disappears.

You don’t want to spend the next ten minutes negotiating with the software.

For Coyle, Logic provides a comfortable middle ground.

He can build the song at home.

Then move into a proper studio when it’s time to expand the production.

Restoration Sounds

For several of his recent records, Coyle has worked at Restoration Sounds in Brooklyn.

It’s part of a larger musical community he’s developed in New York.

He’ll arrive with the songs.

Bring in friends.

Record drums.

Piano.

Additional instruments.

Whatever the material needs.

Coyle is comfortable handling vocals and guitar himself.

He can manage some basic piano.

But he’s equally comfortable admitting there are musicians who can do the other things considerably better.

So he invites them in.

And lets them contribute.

That last part is important.

He doesn’t want every musician to simply reproduce something he already programmed into a demo.

He wants them to bring their own ideas.

Their own instincts.

Their own musical personalities.

Sometimes a drummer hears something he hadn’t imagined.

A pianist introduces a new texture.

An arrangement shifts.

The song becomes better.

That’s what good collaboration should accomplish.

Don’t Hire Great Musicians and Then Tell Them Not to Play

I’ve always appreciated artists who understand the value of the people in the room.

If you’re hiring talented musicians, give them some room to be talented.

Certainly, the songwriter needs a vision.

The song needs direction.

But there’s a difference between protecting an idea and suffocating it.

Coyle understands that.

He brings the material into the studio and allows the musicians to explore.

He’s willing to hear something better than what he originally imagined.

That takes confidence.

It also takes humility.

The song is more important than proving every idea came from him.

The Boys From the Band

Near the end of our conversation, I asked Coyle about his unsung heroes.

The people who had supported him.

Helped him.

Stayed beside him through the career.

He didn’t reach for a famous name.

Not Mac Davis.

Not a record executive.

Not someone connected to Sun Records.

He chose the musicians from his original band.

The friends he’d known since childhood.

The people who had started playing music together when they were around 11 or 12 years old.

They learned together.

Got better together.

Signed deals together.

Moved to New York.

Toured America.

Played arenas.

Performed on television.

Then eventually stepped away.

But they never entirely disappeared from one another’s lives.

In fact, when we spoke, they were discussing making music together again.

All of them were still in New York.

All those years later.

That’s remarkable.

Because bands often end in a way that makes reconciliation difficult.

Personalities collide.

Money complicates things.

Creative differences become personal differences.

Eventually the people who once wanted nothing more than to make music together can barely tolerate being in the same room.

Coyle’s story seems different.

The band needed a break.

Life moved forward.

But the friendship survived.

And now, perhaps, the music might return.

Coming Full Circle

There are several circles in Coyle Girelli’s story.

The child who didn’t appreciate his father’s American records eventually became an artist releasing music through Sun Records.

The young songwriter who grew up hearing opera eventually found himself writing for musical theater.

The teenager who had to travel hours to discover new music eventually toured the world performing his own.

The kid from Otley became a New Yorker.

The band that began with school friends might still have another chapter ahead.

And the songwriter who spent years chasing opportunities eventually learned that sometimes the most important thing is simply being present enough to appreciate them.

That’s what makes his experience at Sun Studio such an appropriate place to begin and end this story.

Because there he was.

A songwriter who had performed on Letterman.

Toured with Duran Duran.

Worked with Mac Davis.

Released multiple solo albums.

Built a life in New York.

And written music for other artists and the stage.

Yet the thing that stopped him in his tracks wasn’t a massive crowd.

A television camera.

Or a record contract.

It was a microphone capturing the sound of a room.

He sat in the control room listening to that room microphone over and over.

And for a few minutes, he wasn’t thinking about the next tour.

The next album.

The next song.

He was simply listening.

The same way he’d listened as a kid after making that long trip into Leeds.

A record.

A sound.

A discovery.

A moment when music makes the world feel different than it did a few minutes earlier.

Coyle Girelli has spent most of his life chasing that feeling.

And now he gets to create it for other people.

Somewhere, somebody might hear one of his songs for the first time.

And just like Coyle said about the records that changed his own life, they’ll never quite be the same person who hadn’t heard it.

That’s a pretty good reason to keep writing.

Ezra Vancil (Interview)

Ezra Vancil learned three chords because of a girl.

His father was a songwriter.

Ezra wasn’t particularly interested in following him into the family business.

He liked the idea of being a musician.

Actually learning an instrument?

Not so much.

Then he met a girl who was out of his league.

Suddenly musical education became urgent.

Ezra went to his father with a request.

Teach me how to write a song.

His father showed him three chords and offered the kind of wisdom fathers have been giving aspiring songwriters forever.

You can write a hundred songs with that, son.

Ezra wrote one.

The girl loved it.

They dated for three days.

So technically, the song worked.

Everything after that was apparently a personality problem.

But something else happened.

Ezra had written a song.

And once that door opened, it never completely closed again.

Not through record deals.

Not through failed bands.

Not through Japan or Germany.

Not through addiction.

Not through legal trouble.

Not through the years when music became almost irrelevant compared to simply surviving his own life.

The dream changed.

Ezra changed.

The reason he made music changed.

But the songs stayed.

And sometimes all it took was somebody telling him two words.

Keep going.

Whatever You Want to Call It

Trying to classify Ezra’s music is slightly more complicated than the standard genre dropdown menu would prefer.

Folk rock works.

He likes that one.

Americana gets used frequently.

That works too.

There are older country influences.

Folk.

Rock.

And a rhythmic undercurrent that prevents the music from settling into the image of a lone singer-songwriter quietly strumming an acoustic guitar.

Ezra traces some of that groove back to his earliest bands.

One of them was, somehow, an acoustic funk band.

That’s not a typo.

Ezra was the folk guy.

Another member was heavily influenced by players like Victor Wooten and brought aggressive slap bass into the equation.

They added a drummer.

The Frankenstein experiment gradually became something resembling funky folk music and eventually moved even further toward funk.

It shouldn’t necessarily have worked.

Apparently, nobody told them that.

More importantly, the rhythmic education stuck with Ezra.

His music would change repeatedly over the years, but the groove never completely left.

The College Student Who Wasn’t a Student

The band’s origin story gets stranger.

Ezra met some of those musicians at college.

Except Ezra wasn’t enrolled.

He just hung out there.

Specifically, Cedar Valley Community College in Lancaster, Texas.

Friends attended the school, so Ezra would hang around the hallways playing guitar with other musicians.

Eventually they met an instructor involved with recording technology.

The instructor heard the band and invited them into the program’s studio.

Suddenly Ezra and his friends became something resembling the student house band.

Actual students could practice recording them.

The band got studio time.

Everybody won.

Part of their first album was made there.

Ezra technically audited a few classes along the way, including ceramics.

But mostly he was just the guy wandering the halls with a guitar who somehow ended up making a record.

Music careers have started in less believable ways.

Then Hollywood Called

The unbelievable part was only getting started.

The band had been together perhaps three or four months when they began playing shows in Dallas’ Deep Ellum scene.

A friend offered to finance an album.

They booked time at a large Dallas studio called Planet Dallas.

A week earlier, an Los Angeles management team had apparently told the studio to call if anything interesting came through.

The studio called.

The management team flew to Texas.

Contracts followed.

The company also had a label arrangement, and the young band landed what amounted to a development deal.

Money.

A tour van.

A house.

A studio.

Equipment.

The basic idea was to develop the band and eventually place them with a major label.

For a poor small-town kid who was about 19 years old, it looked like the dream had arrived.

There was one problem.

Ezra and the band were 19-year-old musicians who had suddenly been handed money, a house and very little adult supervision.

You can probably see where this is going.

How Not to Spend a Development Deal

The company wanted an album.

The band wanted more gear.

At least that’s what they kept telling the company.

Money would arrive.

Equipment would be purchased.

So would drugs and alcohol.

People joined them on tour and somehow ended up living at the house for weeks.

The studio existed.

The money existed.

The opportunity absolutely existed.

The album did not.

Things became increasingly chaotic.

At one point, the band’s bass player was shot during a drug deal.

He survived and later played on some of Ezra’s records, which is a reassuring detail after someone casually drops “the bass player got shot” into an interview.

Eventually, the management team had enough.

The band was dropped.

Ezra wasn’t.

They decided to continue developing him as a solo artist.

For another year, he recorded demos.

Spent time in Los Angeles.

Sat in label offices.

Talked to people at Sony.

Made more recordings.

And waited for the deal that would turn all of this development into an actual career.

It never happened.

By around 21, Ezra was dropped too.

Two years.

Plenty of recording.

Plenty of industry attention.

Plenty of money spent.

No album.

The dream had arrived remarkably fast.

Then it disappeared just as quickly.

When You’re Supposed to Be a Rock Star

The fall was difficult.

Ezra hadn’t built a backup plan.

He had dropped out of school because he was going to become a rock star.

That’s a wonderfully simple career plan right up until someone stops paying for the rock-star part.

Now he was married.

A baby was on the way.

And he didn’t know what else he was supposed to do.

So he did what musicians often do.

He tried again.

And again.

And again.

Ezra spent much of his twenties moving through bands, trying to recreate the opportunity that had appeared so easily the first time.

Eventually he found a musical partner who understood what he was trying to do.

By his late twenties, things began moving again.

South by Southwest showcases.

Publishing deals.

An exclusive Japanese deal.

After nearly a decade of failed bands and false starts, Ezra had made something people were paying attention to again.

He was back in the game.

Apparently Japan Likes Texas Folk Rock

The Japanese deal arrived around 2006 or 2007, during a period when Ezra was told folk and folk-rock music had a strong market there.

The relationship lasted roughly a year.

The label didn’t pick up the next album.

But Ezra still sees Japanese listeners showing up in his streaming data years later.

That’s one of the strange things about music.

A record can travel somewhere you’ve never lived and remain there long after the business relationship that delivered it disappears.

Germany provided an even better example.

The German Cowboys

Ezra traveled to Germany in the mid-’90s as part of a church group helping with an old church restoration project.

He was there to provide music for a fundraising event.

That was supposed to be the gig.

Instead, one show became another.

Then another.

Ezra eventually spent roughly a month playing around the area.

One invitation took him to a Western bar in Dresden.

He expected the German interpretation of a Texas bar.

Maybe some Western decorations.

A cow skull.

Something tasteful.

Instead, he discovered people who had apparently studied cowboy culture with the intensity of graduate students.

Ten-gallon hats.

Enormous belt buckles.

The complete package.

Ezra didn’t really play country music, but he adapted.

Bob Dylan songs suddenly developed a considerably stronger country accent.

Think less Greenwich Village.

More Garth Brooks.

The German cowboys loved it.

Then things got weirder.

“Country Roads.” Again.

A few men from the Western bar invited Ezra and his wife to what he understood to be a performance at their ranch.

The language barrier was significant.

Directions became increasingly remote.

Eventually the taxi driver refused to continue.

That should probably have been the first clue.

Another ride had to be arranged.

The journey continued farther into the countryside until Ezra and his wife finally reached the ranch.

Ezra entered a tack barn expecting an audience.

There were three guys.

That was the audience.

They didn’t want a concert exactly.

They wanted Ezra to play John Denver’s “Take Me Home, Country Roads.”

So he did.

Then they wanted it again.

And again.

Ezra estimates they sang the song around 20 times.

He’d perform one of his originals.

They’d listen.

Then:

“Country Roads.”

Again.

Beer came out.

Everybody sang at the top of their lungs.

They rode horses.

Communication remained limited.

Eventually the men drove Ezra and his wife back to town.

That was the show.

Honestly, I’ve played stranger gigs.

Not many.

But stranger.

One Gig Became a Month

The ranch wasn’t an isolated experience.

That’s what Ezra remembers most about Germany.

Each performance created another.

A bar led to a ranch.

Another connection led to a wine cellar.

Then an art event.

Then another small room.

He could have kept going.

There was no grand tour strategy.

No complicated marketing campaign.

People heard him.

They liked what they heard.

They invited him somewhere else.

Eventually he had to go home.

Sometimes that’s the purest version of touring.

One guitar.

One connection.

One room leading to another.

Then Came the Dark Years

Ezra is remarkably open about what happened next.

Substance abuse had already become part of his life.

He had started performing in bars around 16.

Alcohol was always nearby.

Eventually it stopped being something surrounding the music and became something controlling his life.

Ezra describes much of his thirties as a lost decade.

He doesn’t remember large portions of it.

He played in bands.

Performed shows.

Sometimes fell off stages.

Eventually musicians stopped wanting to work with him.

He became unreliable.

Embarrassing.

The guy nobody wanted in the band.

Legal trouble followed.

Felony charges.

The possibility of prison.

Seven years of probation.

A portable alcohol-monitoring device he had to blow into on a schedule, regardless of where he happened to be.

Doctor’s office?

Hold on.

School meeting with the kids?

Give me a second.

The machine is beeping.

The person who had once been flown to Los Angeles and developed for a major-label career had reached 40 with music barely registering among the larger problems in his life.

And still, some part of him thought he might become a rock star.

Maybe they’d let him have a guitar in prison.

The dream hadn’t disappeared.

It had become almost absurd.

The Kitchen Floor

Then one night Ezra woke up on the kitchen floor.

He was done.

Not because the consequences had suddenly become worse.

There had already been plenty of consequences.

His family had suffered.

His career had collapsed.

The legal system was involved.

People had stopped wanting to play music with him.

None of it had been enough.

That’s something Ezra understands now about addiction.

External consequences can pile up forever.

The decision still has to happen internally.

That night, something did.

Ezra wasn’t particularly religious.

He considered himself an atheist.

But lying there, he made what he calls a foxhole prayer.

Whoever or whatever is out there:

I’ll do anything.

The next morning didn’t magically repair everything.

Recovery isn’t that tidy.

But Ezra made a decision.

He joined a recovery group.

He stopped drinking.

When we spoke, it had been more than 13 years since his last drink.

Getting Sober Didn’t Immediately Fix Everything

There’s a version of recovery stories where the person gets sober, the music swells and everyone who loves them comes running back.

Ezra’s story didn’t work that way.

About a year after he got sober, his second wife divorced him.

He was improving.

She simply didn’t know who this new person was.

She had known the drunk.

Now he was changing.

She had her own things to work through.

They separated.

Then something remarkable happened.

She came back.

She got sober too.

They rebuilt the relationship.

Ezra got his family back.

Today they live a considerably different life than the one that nearly destroyed both of them.

His wife is an artist herself, a metalsmith working in chase and repoussé, a painstaking process involving metal, hammers, torches and an amount of repetitive tapping that turned out to be less than ideal beside a recording studio.

They eventually established separate workspaces.

Marriage preserved.

Recordings improved.

Everybody wins.

Music Came Back Quietly

Ezra didn’t immediately return to music.

It took roughly a year.

Before getting sober, he hadn’t written seriously in quite some time.

Then an idea arrived.

A song.

Ezra recorded it.

Called a friend with a camera.

Went into downtown Dallas.

Within roughly 24 hours, they had made a video.

The song was called “Song Before I Go.”

It changed everything.

Again.

The Song at the End of the Movie

Ezra describes “Song Before I Go” as the kind of song that might play at the end of a musician’s biopic.

The camera pulls back.

The story is almost over.

Everything that happened—the mistakes, loves, losses, children, successes and disasters—gets compressed into one final reflection.

And somehow the conclusion is:

It’s okay.

Ezra was around 40.

Life had not turned out remotely the way he’d expected.

The teenager who received the development deal hadn’t become the rock star he’d imagined.

He had wasted opportunities.

Lost years.

Damaged relationships.

But he could look around and still find things worth loving.

Family.

Children.

Parents.

Music.

Enough.

“Song Before I Go” became a song about contentment.

Not surrender.

There’s a difference.

He wasn’t saying the dream didn’t matter.

He was saying his life still had value even though the dream hadn’t happened the way he’d planned.

That realization may have been exactly what allowed music back into his life.

The Song Brought His Wife Back Too

Then the video found Ezra’s wife.

She saw it online after their separation.

She watched the man on the screen and had a strange realization.

That’s the kind of man I want to be with.

Then another.

Wait.

That’s my husband.

Music had helped get Ezra into trouble.

Now a song was helping introduce his wife to the person he’d become after getting sober.

The video traveled farther than their relationship.

A manager in New York saw it.

He flew to Texas.

Within roughly a year, Ezra had a band again.

He was gigging.

An album followed.

The career that Ezra had spent years desperately trying to force back into existence began returning almost naturally once he wasn’t chasing it the same way.

That’s one of the great ironies in his story.

In the Game, But on His Terms

Opportunities continued arriving.

Managers.

Publishing interests.

Industry people from New York and Los Angeles.

Ezra admits he’s probably sabotaged more than a few.

Earlier in life, the sabotage came through alcohol and chaos.

Later, some of it became intentional.

He no longer wanted the machinery badly enough to surrender control to it.

That doesn’t mean outside validation stopped mattering.

Ezra will occasionally submit songs to competitions.

He doesn’t necessarily need to win.

He wants confirmation.

Did I place?

Am I still operating at a professional level?

Am I still in the game?

That matters.

Because artists can become delusional.

We’ve all met someone who has invested everything into a record that everybody around him insists is brilliant.

Then you hear it.

It isn’t.

Ezra is in his fifties.

He’s still making records.

Still touring.

Still writing.

Every once in a while, he wants some external evidence that this isn’t simply a guy sitting in a cabin convincing himself he’s making great music.

The industry attention provides that.

But he no longer needs the industry to tell him what to do next.

He’s part of the business now on his own terms.

Making Music With His Daughter

The clearest evidence of that change may be sitting beside him.

Ezra makes music with his daughter.

They’ve been in a band together since she was 12.

She’s 19 now.

They write.

Record.

Perform.

Tour.

The younger Ezra approached music as something to conquer.

Get the deal.

Make the record.

Climb back to the top.

Prove something.

The older Ezra approaches it differently.

He makes music because he loves making music.

And strangely enough, that version of his career has produced some of the most satisfying touring and performances he’s experienced.

I understand that.

I spent years working in Nashville, and I loved much of that life.

But music was also my job.

You chase the next session.

The next project.

The next opportunity.

There’s a pressure attached to something when it has to pay the bills.

When I eventually stepped away from that environment, music became fun in a different way.

You start choosing things because you actually want to do them again.

Ezra found something similar.

The ambition didn’t disappear.

The desperation did.

The iPhone Scrapyard

His songwriting process remains wonderfully unromantic.

Ezra usually starts with acoustic guitar.

Chords.

Melody.

Syllables.

Gibberish.

Eventually a word appears.

Then another.

Slowly the song reveals what it wants to be about.

For years, Ezra refused to record ideas.

His philosophy was simple.

If it’s good enough, I’ll remember it.

If I forget it, apparently it wasn’t worth keeping.

Then he started forgetting good songs.

Philosophy revised.

Cassette tapes came first.

Nearly a decade of them.

Eventually the phone took over.

Today, Ezra describes his iPhone recorder as a scrapyard.

Not everything is a song.

Some recordings are fragments.

A line.

A melody.

A small idea.

A complete song might be sitting beside something barely recognizable.

Then Ezra decides to make an album.

That’s when he goes digging through the scrapyard.

He Still Thinks in Albums

That part matters.

Ezra still thinks in albums.

Not simply a collection of singles.

A story.

He’ll go through the phone and look for pieces that belong together.

Some songs are complete.

Others need work.

He begins selecting the material that feels like it belongs to the larger project.

Then he polishes.

Edits.

Rewrites.

The album starts revealing itself.

I’m always glad to hear someone say they still think this way.

The economics of streaming encourage songs to live individually.

That’s fine.

But an album can do something a single can’t.

Context changes songs.

Track five means something different because track four happened first.

A closing song can answer a question introduced 35 minutes earlier.

Ezra still enjoys building that larger world.

The Cabin

Then the songs move into the cabin.

Ezra’s East Texas recording space isn’t exactly a conventional commercial studio.

It’s better.

A large central room with a high ceiling stretching somewhere above 20 feet.

A loft.

Smaller spaces.

Amps in one area.

Drums in another.

Vocals can happen in the kitchen.

It has the feel of a church.

For years, the recording setup itself was relatively compact.

Laptop.

Universal Audio interface.

Plugins.

Lots of plugins.

Thousands of dollars worth of plugins.

Then, because Ezra’s career apparently has a recurring subplot where expensive opportunities materialize from nowhere, somebody gave him a recording studio.

Not studio time.

A studio.

Of Course Someone Gave Him a Studio

The equipment had belonged to a man from Oklahoma who had worked with ZZ Top and had passed away.

The man’s son knew Ezra.

He wanted the equipment to go to someone who would actually use it.

Ezra was the person he thought of.

So an enormous collection of analog equipment found its way to Ezra’s cabin.

Outboard gear.

Compressors.

Channel strips.

Neve circuitry.

Enough equipment that Ezra still isn’t completely sure what some of it does.

He estimated the collection could represent an extraordinary amount of money and said he’s only using a fraction of it.

Naturally, moving everything into the studio nearly destroyed his back.

There is apparently no such thing as completely free analog gear.

As someone who has spent more years than I care to count around studios, I had only one reasonable response.

Nobody has ever donated me a studio.

Ezra needs to start sharing whatever karmic rewards program he’s enrolled in.

Put the Band in the Room

For all the technology surrounding him, Ezra’s preferred recording process reaches backward.

He likes musicians playing together.

Especially the rhythm section.

He’s made records locked tightly to a click.

He isn’t anti-click.

But he likes capturing drums and bass with the band interacting in real time.

Isolate what needs to be isolated.

Get the rhythm section down.

Let the musicians react to one another.

Then build from there.

The difference can be subtle.

Tiny fluctuations.

Push.

Pull.

A rhythm section breathing together instead of everybody independently obeying a grid.

Once the basic track exists, Ezra can spend an almost unreasonable amount of time adding layers.

The band goes home.

Ezra remains.

Guitars.

Vocals.

Textures.

Changes.

Rewrites.

Questions.

More changes.

He calls himself neurotic.

Perfectionist might be the kinder studio term.

He has spent enormous amounts of time refining records and is actively trying to become better about stopping.

Because eventually an album has to leave the cabin.

Let Someone Else Hear It

One way Ezra protects himself from disappearing completely into the record is by letting other people mix.

He’s mixed some of his own projects.

But often he’ll turn to mixers in Nashville.

He has worked with Marc Frigo, whose credits and musical connections appealed to Ezra’s love for artists and producers in the Daniel Lanois world.

More recently, he’s been working with JP Ruggieri, a Nashville musician and mixer whose own records caught Ezra’s ear.

That’s a smart way to choose collaborators.

Not because somebody has the longest credit list.

Because you like what comes out of their speakers.

The process can stretch over weeks or months.

Mix arrives.

Ezra listens.

Notes go back.

Another version arrives.

Eventually everybody agrees to stop touching it.

Or at least somebody takes the controls away from Ezra.

Back to Vinyl

At the time of our conversation, Ezra was preparing a double album he’d been releasing gradually through singles.

The final project was analog mastered in Nashville with vinyl specifically in mind.

That feels appropriate.

A songwriter who still thinks in albums.

A cabin filled with analog equipment.

A recording philosophy built around musicians playing together.

Put the thing on vinyl.

Not because vinyl magically makes music more authentic.

But because format can reinforce intention.

An album asks you to stay for a while.

Ezra has spent enough of his life learning the value of staying.

Peter Silico

Near the end of our conversation, I asked Ezra about his unsung hero.

He didn’t choose a famous producer.

Manager.

Label executive.

Or one of the people who had flown across the country after hearing his music.

He chose Peter Silico.

Peter was a guitarist in Ezra’s father’s band.

He was younger than Ezra’s father, which made him cool enough for young Ezra to admire without suffering the unfortunate handicap of actually being his dad.

Peter remained somewhere in Ezra’s life as the years passed.

They weren’t constantly talking.

They didn’t need to.

Because Peter had an unusual habit.

At moments when Ezra was questioning everything, Peter would call.

Or send a text.

Or email.

The message was often incredibly short.

Keep going.

That’s it.

Keep going.

Ezra might be wondering whether the music made sense anymore.

Whether he should give it up.

Whether it was time to get a normal job.

Then Peter’s message would arrive.

Keep going.

Peter has since passed away.

Ezra still has some of those messages.

And he believes there were times he continued simply because Peter told him to.

Keep Going

There are plenty of ways to tell Ezra Vancil’s story.

The teenager who received the development deal most musicians spend their lives chasing.

The band that blew through the opportunity.

The Texas folk-rock artist who found audiences in Japan.

The guy who traveled to Germany for one show and accidentally stayed for a month.

The musician who sang “Country Roads” 20 times for three German cowboys in a tack barn.

The addict.

The felon.

The husband.

The father.

The sober man.

The songwriter.

The producer sitting in an East Texas cabin surrounded by somebody else’s lifetime of analog equipment.

They’re all the same person.

That’s what makes the story matter.

Ezra spent his younger life trying desperately to become the person he thought a successful musician was supposed to be.

He got close enough to see it.

Then he lost it.

Spent years trying to claw his way back.

Lost himself instead.

When music finally returned, it didn’t ask him to become a rock star.

It gave him something considerably more useful.

A song.

“Song Before I Go.”

A song that looked backward at the wreckage and said:

It’s okay.

That’s where the career started again.

Not when he got another manager.

Not when another industry person showed interest.

Not when he made another album.

When he became content enough with the life he already had that music could simply become music again.

Maybe that’s why the opportunities feel different now.

He’s no longer asking them to prove his life worked out.

He already knows it did.

His daughter is making music beside him.

His wife came back.

The cabin is full of songs.

The phone is full of scraps waiting to become albums.

The studio is full of gear he hasn’t figured out yet.

There are still records to make.

Still shows to play.

Still things to discover.

And somewhere in the back of his mind, there’s probably a message from Peter Silico.

Two words.

The same ones that carried Ezra through more than one version of himself.

Keep going.

Mark Frye (Asayda)

There is a version of the music business that exists mostly in movies.

You start a band. Write a few songs. Play some shows. Somebody important walks into a club, hears you, and suddenly you’re on a tour bus wondering where to put the platinum records.

Then there’s the version most musicians actually know.

You work a job.

You raise a family.

You rehearse after work. You buy gear when you can afford it. You load into clubs, play the show, load everything back out, go home, sleep for a few hours and return to real life the next morning.

Somewhere in between, you try to make something meaningful.

Asayda frontman and guitarist Mark Frye knows that version.

He’s been playing music around Cincinnati for years, through different bands, different lineups and different stages of life. These days, he has a career in IT, a wife, two young kids and all the responsibilities that come with them.

Yet when I asked whether he still had aspirations beyond the local scene, there wasn’t much hesitation.

“The dream doesn’t ever die,” he said. “It can’t ever die.”

That probably tells you more about Asayda than a genre label ever could.

A Cincinnati Education

Mark grew up in Cincinnati, which means his musical education includes a collection of venues that have helped define the city’s rock scene.

Bogart’s occupies a particularly important spot.

He remembers being 16 years old in 1997 and heading there to see Deftones. One of the opening bands was a group most people in the room apparently knew very little about.

Limp Bizkit.

This was before “Faith” and before the band became impossible to avoid.

Mark remembers the lights going down and Limp Bizkit launching into “Pollution.” The floor erupted.

He was standing roughly halfway back in a sold-out room and looked behind him.

Everybody was moving.

“I thought the floor was gonna collapse,” he recalled.

For Mark, that night was bigger than discovering a band before it became famous.

“I think that’s actually probably the moment that I fell in love with heavy music.”

That’s the thing about local venues.

We tend to measure their importance by the artists who eventually become famous enough to have played there.

But that’s only half the story.

Their real value is what happens to the people in the audience.

Some kid walks into a room, sees a band and leaves wanting to make music.

Years later, he’s the one onstage.

The Rooms That Build a Scene

Since moving to the Cincinnati area, I’ve been working my way through many of the venues Mark grew up attending.

That made our conversation partly an interview and partly my personal orientation to Cincinnati rock and roll.

Bogart’s.

Annie’s.

Ludlow Garage.

Taft Theatre.

Southgate House Revival.

Riverbend.

Each has a different personality.

Mark describes Cincinnati as a “big, small town,” and its music scene seems to operate the same way. There isn’t one neighborhood or genre that completely defines it. Music stretches from downtown into Clifton, across the river into Covington and Newport, and into clubs and breweries scattered throughout the region.

For rock and metal, though, those smaller rooms matter.

Mark remembers seeing Godsmack at Annie’s when they were still relatively unknown, opening for Down. He saw Royal Blood in a tiny room beneath the Taft Theatre with perhaps 60 people in attendance.

Then there’s one of my new favorite pieces of Cincinnati music history: Sudsy Malone’s.

Mark played there with an earlier band, One Finger Grip.

It was a laundromat.

With a bar.

And live music.

People could literally sit on washers and dryers watching the band while doing laundry.

Coming from Boston, I thought my Ohio laundromat experience was strange enough. Years ago, while attending the Recording Workshop in Chillicothe, I encountered one advertising laundry, milk, guns and ammo.

Apparently Ohio has been trying to revolutionize the laundromat industry for decades.

Mark’s version just had a better soundtrack.

Finding the Right Dysfunctional Family

Asayda wasn’t Mark’s first band.

He started playing guitar at 15 and later joined One Finger Grip, initially as a guitarist with no intention of becoming the singer.

Then the band needed vocals.

Mark figured he could sing a little.

One song became another, and eventually he found his voice.

After One Finger Grip ended, he and bassist Brian Smith moved into acoustic music with Two-Bit Acoustic. Mark continued searching for another heavier project, answering six or seven Craigslist ads and auditioning for different bands.

The problem wasn’t necessarily musicianship.

There were plenty of talented players.

He simply didn’t connect with the people.

That’s something musicians sometimes learn later than they should.

Being great at your instrument isn’t enough.

In Nashville, I’ve heard the phrase for years: you have to be a good hang.

There are too many people who can play.

If two musicians can both handle the gig, I’m hiring the person I can stand being around for the next twelve hours.

Mark sees bands as “dysfunctional families.”

He’s right.

You need to be able to tell someone his idea doesn’t work.

Someone needs to be able to tell you that your vocal sounds terrible.

Then everybody has to remain friends long enough to order dinner.

The important word isn’t dysfunctional.

It’s family.

When Mark answered the Craigslist ad that eventually led him to Asayda, he found that connection.

The lineup has changed over the years, as lineups do. Mark and guitarist/backing vocalist Brian Trester have remained the constants. Brian Smith eventually joined on bass, bringing a friendship with Mark that stretched back more than a decade. Drummer Shawn later completed the current lineup.

Life has dictated some of those changes.

Children.

Careers.

Responsibilities.

Mark doesn’t resent that.

Family comes first.

The trick is finding the people whose lives, personalities and ambitions can fit together long enough to keep creating.

He believes Asayda has found that group.

Write Something You Want to Hear

That stability is arriving at an important time.

Asayda is working on a new album, and Mark believes the band may be in its strongest creative position yet.

The reason isn’t that they’ve discovered some formula guaranteed to produce a hit.

It’s almost the opposite.

They’re increasingly comfortable ignoring the formula.

“We’re gonna write stuff that we like,” Mark said. “We hope everybody loves it. I mean, that’s fantastic that everybody loves it. But more than anything, we have to love it.”

That philosophy is pushing the new material in different directions.

Mark doesn’t want to write eight versions of the same song.

We’ve all seen that concert.

The first three songs hit you like a truck.

By song eight, you start wondering whether the band has been playing one 45-minute song with unusually long pauses.

Asayda wants variety.

Heavy music can still be melodic.

Aggressive music can still leave room for dynamics.

A record can move without losing its identity.

Mark pointed to Australia’s 12 Foot Ninja as an extreme example of a band willing to jump between heavy music, acoustic passages, jazz, Latin influences and seemingly whatever else interested them.

Asayda may not take those changes quite that far.

But Mark likes the philosophy.

Keep people guessing.

Becoming the Alchemist

The new album is also allowing Mark to indulge another side of his personality.

He’s producing much of it himself.

His formal audio-production education?

Curiosity.

Mark works in IT, and when something technological interests him, his instinct is apparently to disappear down the rabbit hole until he understands it.

He began seriously teaching himself recording while working with Two-Bit Acoustic, eventually mixing, mastering and producing an entire album.

His first software of choice wasn’t exactly designed for rock bands.

FL Studio.

Primarily known at the time as beat-making software.

He made it work.

Since then, he’s used Pro Tools, Studio One and other tools, gradually building what he jokingly calls a “pseudo studio” at home.

For this Asayda record, that setup is becoming part of the creative process.

Mark compared producing to being an alchemist surrounded by beakers.

Add some of this.

A little of that.

And occasionally discover that the entire experiment was a terrible idea.

That’s part of the appeal.

Brian Trester might bring in the framework of a song. Mark works with it. Shawn and Brian Smith add their ideas. The band records something and collectively decides they’ve nailed it.

Then everybody listens away from the studio.

Nope.

Back downstairs.

When Unlimited Options Become the Problem

There is, however, a danger in recording yourself.

There is no clock.

I’ve spent enough of my life in studios to know that a ticking clock isn’t always the enemy.

A traditional studio forces decisions.

You arrive prepared because you’re paying for the room, the engineer and everyone involved.

Mark remembers recording an earlier EP at Refraze Recording Studios in Dayton. He walked in to cut vocals and found himself standing in front of an impressive microphone.

Then the producer helpfully told him that the singer from Goo Goo Dolls had used it the previous week.

No pressure.

At home, nobody is standing behind the glass watching the budget.

That’s liberating.

It’s also dangerous.

You can always redo the guitar.

Add another vocal.

Change the drums.

Try one more part.

Remix everything.

Finish the mix.

Then decide it needs one tiny addition that requires changing half the mix.

Eventually somebody has to say the record is done.

Asayda is still early enough in the process that experimentation is welcome.

But Mark knows the band will eventually have to stop being alchemists and start being finishers.

A Crazy Time to Be a Musician

Technology is also changing what Asayda can put on the record—and eventually reproduce onstage.

For the album, Shawn is recording with an electronic drum kit rather than a traditionally miked acoustic kit.

That decision opens another world of possibilities.

Electronic sounds.

Samples.

An 808-style hit.

A specific sound created for a particular moment.

Those options can then become part of the live performance without turning the show into musicians playing along to prerecorded backing tracks.

Mark knows some musicians still resist modelers, electronic drums and similar technology.

His response is practical.

He’s still playing.

Shawn is still playing.

The instrument is being performed.

The technology simply gives them access to sounds that would otherwise require a warehouse full of equipment.

Mark remembers when his rig involved a Peavey half-stack and a rack-mounted EQ.

Today, if he wants a particular sound, chances are somebody has figured out how to put it in a box.

“It’s a crazy time to be a musician,” he said.

The challenge now isn’t access.

It’s restraint.

Just because you can use a completely different guitar tone, drum kit and production style on every song doesn’t mean you should.

Asayda wants experimentation while maintaining enough sonic consistency for the project to feel like an album.

The Album Still Matters

That word, album, is intentional.

Like many independent artists, Asayda has spent recent years releasing singles.

Mark understands why.

A single creates another opportunity to get people’s attention.

Release one song.

Six weeks later, give them another.

Two months later, remind them again.

Drop an entire album at once and, within a few months, you’re promoting something the internet has already decided is old.

Still, the band wants to make an album.

The likely compromise is a staggered release: singles arriving over time while the unreleased tracks remain part of the larger project waiting behind them.

Mark doesn’t expect the complete record in 2026.

Early 2027 is more realistic.

Part of that timeline comes from the reality behind the music. Mark dealt with medical issues that slowed the band’s progress, and Asayda has also been balancing recording with live performances.

The goal after their upcoming shows is simple.

Put their heads down.

Finish the work.

Then get back in front of people.

Make the Cover Yours

When Asayda returns with the new material, not everything audiences hear will necessarily be original.

Mark likes the idea of including a few surprises.

One example already exists in the band’s live show: Billy Idol’s “White Wedding.”

The important part is that Asayda doesn’t simply play “White Wedding.”

They play their “White Wedding.”

That’s an important distinction.

There is nothing wrong with performing a song faithfully, and tribute bands have built entire careers around doing exactly that.

But Mark prefers taking something familiar and filtering it through Asayda.

The audience already knows the words.

Now give them a reason to hear the song differently.

And yes, Mark is still waiting for Billy Idol to join them onstage.

Billy, apparently you’ve been called out.

Sixty People or Ten Thousand

Near the end of our conversation, Mark finally delivered the Royal Blood story he’d promised earlier.

Years ago, a friend brought him to the small ballroom beneath the Taft Theatre.

There might have been 60 people there.

Royal Blood walked onstage.

Two guys.

Bass and drums.

Mark initially wondered whether half the band had failed to show up.

Then they played.

They destroyed the room.

Mark had never seen anything quite like it.

Later, he saw Royal Blood again at a festival.

This time there were thousands of people in front of them.

The audience had changed.

The band hadn’t.

Same energy.

Same commitment.

Same determination to play the show like it mattered.

That’s what stayed with Mark.

And maybe that’s the clearest picture of what he wants for Asayda.

Not necessarily fame for fame’s sake.

Not some fantasy about abandoning every responsibility and pretending everyone is still 22.

He wants the music to reach people.

He wants the band to grow beyond Cincinnati.

He wants more people standing in front of the stage.

But whether it’s 60 or 10,000, the responsibility is the same.

Play like it matters.

The People Who Make the Dream Possible

When I asked Mark to name an unsung hero, he didn’t choose another musician.

He chose the families.

His wife.

His children.

The families behind the other members of Asayda.

Because every rehearsal has a cost.

Every show means time away.

Every recording session occupies hours that could have gone somewhere else.

For musicians with families and careers, pursuing music isn’t an individual decision.

Everyone around them participates in some way.

Mark also extended that gratitude to the independent venues that continue putting local bands onstage.

Those places could often make their lives easier.

Hire a DJ.

Run a college night.

Pack the room.

Instead, many keep taking chances on musicians.

They give local bands somewhere to fail.

Somewhere to improve.

Somewhere to become good.

And occasionally, somewhere to become great.

Mark knows what those rooms mean because he grew up in them.

He was the 16-year-old kid standing inside Bogart’s while an unknown Limp Bizkit shook the floor.

He watched an unknown Godsmack walk onto the stage at Annie’s.

He stood with roughly 60 people watching two unknown guys called Royal Blood tear apart a tiny room.

Now he’s on the other side of the barricade.

Maybe there’s another 16-year-old standing somewhere in the crowd watching Asayda.

Maybe that kid goes home and picks up a guitar.

That’s the cycle.

Careers change.

Families grow.

Priorities shift.

The music business changes almost daily.

The dream changes with it.

But for the people who truly love doing this, Mark is right.

It doesn’t die.

It just gets smarter.

And maybe a little louder.